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Yeah, you did a very good work! My
compliments! Even if I cannot read Polish it seems very well
organized.
A suggestion: modify mod_debug to be
visible to admins only and put the "Powered by Drake
CMS" link Quote:
I still intend to release these simple cart
components/module/drabot freely, but i sure would like the site
to work 100% first
Of course You have a
done a very good work with the cart, it is perfectly as lite as
Drake CMS is
catasoft
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
24 July 2007 07:16
Anonymous
Hey legolas
Thanks for your response.
First, sorry about the "Powered By Drake CMS" missing
link, this was an old template i just dressed drake with...
Now, i think this is a bug: i cannot create a
Search component instance. I removed it from mainmenu in
the past since there was no "Unpublish" button, and now
i cannot bring it back. When trying to create a component
instance by creating a Component menuitem, Search is not in the
list (maybe because it is a Core component). So... how to
do it, how to get search functionality back to a Drake site? (i
tried to post a bug report on this one, but i cannot log in from
work into any remote site:(, plus i find sourceforge sooo
unintuitive and liveless...)
Cata
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
24 July 2007 08:04
Anonymous
Quote:
Thanks for your
response.
And thanks to you for helping the growth of
Drake CMS! Quote:
First, sorry
about the "Powered By Drake CMS" missing link, this was
an old template i just dressed drake with...
No
problem, better later than never... Now at least
is visible when hovering
Quote:
Now, i think this is
a bug: i cannot create a Search component instance. I removed it
from mainmenu in the past since there was no
"Unpublish" button, and now i cannot bring it back.
Actually you should have used the "access
group" field; however, there is now a similar facility to
disable a menu item without editing it
Quote:
When trying to
create a component instance by creating a Component menuitem,
Search is not in the list (maybe because it is a Core
component).
Now fixed. Be sure to manually make
all the changes to your database if you are using v0.4.5 from
SVN; for example, now there have been these changes and you should
update the database accordingly
Quote:
(i tried to
post a bug report on this one, but i cannot log in from work into
any remote site :(, plus i find sourceforge sooo unintuitive and
liveless...)
Sorry but we will move away from
SF.net when the project will be a little bigger; we will have
custom facilities and we will make them very easy to use
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
25 July 2007 10:20
Anonymous
I had created a forum topic for the component instances vs menu
items issue:
Maybe you want to reply there about that subject; I plan
to make UI improvements in the backend to ease the customization
task, so all suggestions are welcome
trex1512
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
17 August 2007 02:05
Anonymous
Hi catasoft
Just interested in how the shopping cart
is going...
TerryF
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
17 August 2007 10:17
Anonymous
Hi catasoft,
as soon as you get back
working on the source code of your component and/or when you will
need any support from us, please tell us!
Also, feel
free to point out (again) what are the "dead ends" that
you reached during development: we want to remove them.
catasoft
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
17 August 2007 11:52
Anonymous
Hey legolas
Thanks for asking. I reached a
dead end with the whole concept, cause i was just tired of fixing
things and finding issues. I totally appreciate your work guys,
and i guess now that i put so much work into this i could at
least finish it and the site, based on Drake.
Issues i encountered before pausing
development:
1. I couldn't use and implement your
steps concerning how to make the search component work (changes
described here)
2. I dislike
the fact that when using sef-url's, Drake uses article title,
which in the case of certain languages (like Romanian, or other
kirilic based languages- Bulgarian, Russian, Mongolian etc) would
probably break current URL "guidlines"- shouldn't URL's
contain only ASCII chars?
3. I dislike the
multiplication of links- for each article there are basically 3
links (which i noticed google indexes separately): -direct
view-link -direct link with Pathway (contains itemid i
think- this is how it worked in limbo) -direct link for
printing (index2.php). This is totally not right. I
assume i could somehow tell Google to nofollow,
or noindex index2.php, but the others are still
multiple content. This is the old Mambo/Joomla issue, where the
creators state that these are CMS's and what matters is the menu
organization of the content. I would rather prefer a
Section/Cathegory/ContentItem organization, and whenever a
content item is displayed, the Pathway and interface should be
rendered based on where it is located in the overall Content
structure rather than how the visitor got there (from Frontpage,
or other pages).
4. Emails sent using the contact form
don't get sent. I only have one user registered who is
administrator, and i assume he (which is myself) should receive
emails sent using the contact form, but no email reaches me.
Messages do however get saved in the Messages screen from admin
area. Since my Cart component is based on Contact component
(the form part anyway), the mails don't get sent either.
5. How do i upgrade my drake to the latest release? I think the
search component issue was solved there. Can i do that easily? I
use v0.4.5Beta r3926. So i just download and upgrade?
Now, if u were to ask me about what i would add to Drake,
i would say 2 things: 1) A taxonomy component like in
Drupal- only simpler:)- this would allow for some very fine
granularity of access rights to specific components) 2) Real
SEF-URL's- totally eliminate ? and & with virtual folders. I
looked over how Joomla sef does it, but the source is so
complicated (so many calls that my head was spinning and i don't
know of any code-profiler for php code. do you?) that i gave up.
I thought i could figure it out and make it work in DrakeCMS. 3) Real flexible multi-language (not even big CMS's have it)
We keep in touch. If you guys can help me solve any
the 5 mentionned "nodes" in my development, i'd be more
thank happy to have the site finally work 100%.
Thanks
again
Catalin
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
17 August 2007 13:39
Anonymous
Quote:
Hey legolas
Thanks for asking. I reached a dead end with the
whole concept, cause i was just tired of fixing things and
finding issues.
"fixing things and finding
issues" that's what I do all days with Drake CMS however
I understand your feelings, I do not pretend that a developer
should face all those troubles in future development!
Quote:
I totally
appreciate your work guys, and i guess now that i put so much
work into this i could at least finish it and the site, based on
Drake.
And, as always, we are here to support
your efforts Quote:
Issues i encountered before pausing
development:
1. I couldn't use and implement your
steps concerning how to make the search component work (changes
described here)
2. I dislike
the fact that when using sef-url's, Drake uses article title,
which in the case of certain languages (like Romanian, or other
kirilic based languages- Bulgarian, Russian, Mongolian etc) would
probably break current URL "guidlines"- shouldn't URL's
contain only ASCII chars?
Version 0.4.6 (on
SVN) only takes the ASCII characters from the title - I am open
to suggestions to this approach
Quote:
3. I dislike
the multiplication of links- for each article there are basically
3 links (which i noticed google indexes separately): -direct view-link -direct link with Pathway (contains
itemid i think- this is how it worked in limbo) -direct link
for printing (index2.php). This is totally not right.
I agree, this is totally not right. About the
direct view-link: can you make an example with the current SVN
default install? Maybe you are referring to the home page
only?
Quote:
I assume i could somehow tell Google to
nofollow, or noindex
index2.php, but the others are still multiple content.
I have now added proper nofollow and alternate rel attributes,
please verify them with the latest SVN version
Quote:
This is the
old Mambo/Joomla issue, where the creators state that these are
CMS's and what matters is the menu organization of the content.
I would rather prefer a Section/Cathegory/ContentItem
organization, and whenever a content item is displayed, the
Pathway and interface should be rendered based on where it is
located in the overall Content structure rather than how the
visitor got there (from Frontpage, or other pages).
I agree with you and with your help I think we can
quality-test the CMS to reach this goal. However, it will be
always meaningful the menu item which generated the page view
because menu items hold component instances, which have the
necessary parameters which are the base of this CMS'
modularization.
I am just saying how things are
currently, we might change them after proper redesign.
About the Section/Category/ContentItem and Pathway consistency:
doesn't Drake CMS already satisfy this?
Quote:
4. Emails sent
using the contact form don't get sent. I only have one user
registered who is administrator, and i assume he (which is
myself) should receive emails sent using the contact form, but no
email reaches me. Messages do however get saved in the Messages
screen from admin area. Since my Cart component is based on
Contact component (the form part anyway), the mails don't get
sent either.
This is not a Drake CMS bug, the
cause of the problem might be elsewhere. Here's a checklist for
you:
is logging to file enabled? Check
that in System -> General the logging is enabled to
private/log.php (and that you have file write permissions on that
file)
try to send an email
go read
the private/log.php file either directly or from System ->
Log
You will eventually find there the message
which prevented the email from being sent. Most probably, mail()
is not working correctly. That's a PHP configuration problem. Otherwise, maybe your receiving server is filtering emails sent
from the website. Try to make a testmail.php file with a test
mail() statement and see what happens.
Quote:
5. How do i
upgrade my drake to the latest release? I think the search
component issue was solved there. Can i do that easily? I use
v0.4.5Beta r3926. So i just download and upgrade?
When a new release is available the version
picture, usually green, becomes red and clicking it you will be
directed to the update wizard. Basically, you can install the
updates from System -> Online updates. The patches there will
modify the database and then the files.
NO, it is not
a good practice to overwrite all the files because if there have
been database changes in the next version your database will not
be updated! This will probably mean data loss in most cases,
unless you go back to the previous version.
Quote:
Now, if u were
to ask me about what i would add to Drake, i would say 2 things:
Of course I am interested Quote:
1) A taxonomy
component like in Drupal- only simpler:)- this would allow for
some very fine granularity of access rights to specific
components)
Yes, we miss a lot of admin backend
features Quote:
2) Real
SEF-URL's- totally eliminate ? and & with virtual folders. I
looked over how Joomla sef does it, but the source is so
complicated (so many calls that my head was spinning and i don't
know of any code-profiler for php code. do you?) that i gave up.
I thought i could figure it out and make it work in DrakeCMS.
It is not Joomla which makes that, and yes it is
possible to do the same with Drake CMS You will need
to hack Apache's mod_rewrite, read this
Quote:
3) Real
flexible multi-language (not even big CMS's have it)
You mean to write a content item in one
language, then click another flag and write it in the other
language? Yes, we will have that feature But not before
our database restructuration..
Quote:
We keep in
touch. If you guys can help me solve any the 5 mentionned
"nodes" in my development, i'd be more thank happy to
have the site finally work 100%.
Thanks again
Catalin
Please keep asking us! I will be
happy to help you with everything's needed
catasoft
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
17 August 2007 21:40
Anonymous
Hey legolas
Indeed the mail gives an error: Quote:
At 2007/08/17
18:48:43 GMT with priority 5: Could not send email using
mail()
But here's what i did next: i uploaded
phpmailer and ran it's tests. By default it was set to smtp and
mails reached my email address just fine.
Then i
tweaked the source so as to use mail() to send them and that also
worked just fine.
So could this be a gelomail
issue?
Could i ask why u guys don't use phpmailer? I
heard the Joomla people used something else be4 but decided for
this one lastly. I guess we could learn from their
decisions...
So... what could it be? Cata
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
23 August 2007 08:33
Anonymous
Quote:
Hey legolas
Indeed the mail gives an error: Quote:
At 2007/08/17
18:48:43 GMT with priority 5: Could not send email using
mail()
But here's what i did next: i uploaded
phpmailer and ran it's tests. By default it was set to smtp and
mails reached my email address just fine.
Because it probably connects to SMTP via sockets
Quote:
Then i tweaked
the source so as to use mail() to send them and that also worked
just fine.
I hope you have modified
private/custom_mailer.php as it is meant to allow plugging of any
other mailing system
Quote:
So could this be a gelomail issue?
No, it is a PHP configuration issue. The
standard mail() is not working or disabled by your host
provider.
Quote:
Could i ask why u guys don't use phpmailer? I
heard the Joomla people used something else be4 but decided for
this one lastly.
Yes, you can ask We are not
using PHPmailer because it is not (yet) enough "lite"
for this CMS. But we are providing a plug to use any other
mailer, as you have experienced (in file
private/custom_mailer.php). To tell the truth I had tried to
integrate that class but the results were not satisfactory so I
postponed the possible integration...the GeloMail class is just a
wrapper around PHP's mail() function (or the one defined in
custom_mailer.php), it basically is the Drake CMS mailing system
as provides some tools for mail management
Quote:
I guess we
could learn from their decisions...
Coding
decisions have to be made on a case by case basis, it's not the
same codebase that we have, and not the same goals - otherwise we
would not be here In this case, as explained above, PHPMailer is left
at the user's choice since the standard PHP's mail() usually
works.
If PHPMailer will fix the issue for a lot of
users, we might consider its integration anyway
catasoft
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
05 September 2007 11:14
Anonymous
Hey Legolas
I'd really like to replace the
characters in the URL, also have those nice nofollow in links to
index2. This would mean upgrading to 0.4.6.
BUT i have 0.4.5, and since -i can't just copy the
new 0.4.6 sources (db structure may have changed) -i don't
want to get 0.4.6 and reinstall everything (content articles,
interface customization) from the start QUESTION
How can i get the latest sources and make them work? Is there
any way to also apply the database diff's?
Could i
just backup the current db, install the latest svn version and
then load the backup? Could it work?
Thanks Catalin
P.S. I'd like to finish this site and get it
off my mind these days so i'll keep asking
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
06 September 2007 18:36
Anonymous
Quote:
QUESTION How can i get the latest sources and make them work? Is there
any way to also apply the database diff's?
Usually,
the database import is updated so the database diffs will be
automatically applied. BUT, it is possible that the imported
version does not work correctly or that the import code from
previous versions is not yet written!
Quote:
Could i just
backup the current db, install the latest svn version and then
load the backup? Could it work?
Right now that
I am writing and possibly during the next days, YES. BUT, read
these two notices:
there might be
some not yet discovered bugs happening after import, in such case
tell us and we'll fix them!
do not expect to use
the resulting website as a production environment, because if
there are more database changes (and probably there will be) your
database will not be a valid 0.4.6 database
So, if
you want to test, yes you can proceed. But do not put an SVN
revision on an production website! We cannot support SVN
revisions Quote:
Thanks Catalin
P.S. I'd like to finish this
site and get it off my mind these days so i'll keep
asking
Please do!
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
07 September 2007 20:05
Anonymous
Regarding PHPMailer: v0.4.6 does not use PHPMailer but does use
its SMTP and sendmail code, and the mailer is chosen during
install time.
So now you should no more have troubles
if PHP's mail() does not work
Edit: Drake CMS also implements BSD mail (I wrote that
implementation and it's the one used for this website hosted at
SF.net)
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
14 November 2007 21:32
Anonymous
Hi catasoft,
if you are going to
share the shopping component/module/drabot I will personally put
it on SVN and start reviewing it.
As Drake CMS
approaches a more Stable release there will be greater interest
in such component and I would not like to start from scratch
since you have already done a lot of work on it.
Thanks
catasoft
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
19 November 2007 10:09
Anonymous
Hello Legolas
Sorry about the late response, i
simply am overwhelved with work since a few months ago. I
would be more than happy to give you the component/module/drabot,
i just have to remind u that: -it's not 100% testes -it's very simplistic -it uses derivative of the
contact-form component to deliver the mail -i still haven't
managed to send an email (maybe it it a server thing) so
basically i gave up the idea of using Drake for this library
project.
I appreciate your fast response back when
i was actively working on the component, hope Drake will become
stable soon enough: it will surely be a great option in the world
of lightweight CMS solutions.
Please tell me how can
i send you the sources... Maybe PM me the email? Or if you know
my email address (being an admin and all) send an email from
yours:)
Catalin
legolas558
Re: Simple ShoppingCart component/modules...
19 November 2007 11:04
Anonymous
OK, I have sent you an email I will
put your work on SVN so that everybody else can contribute/finish
it.
Simple ShoppingCart component/modules... 
and i don't
know of any code-profiler for php code. do you?) that i gave up.
I thought i could figure it out and make it work in DrakeCMS.
however
I understand your feelings, I do not pretend that a developer
should face all those troubles in future development!
