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During the upload of 0.3.3 I've observe Includes/ and Classes/
and noticed one important bug is present! Why nova days when
everyone around moves to UTF-8, new CMS like Drake have to use
ISO 8859-1, there is no future for ISO.
As Team leader
of GTLT - http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtlt, I have
a question for ya Tell me how my Hindi, Gujarati and Bangla
translators will translate Drake in their languages ? How
they will maintain content in both languages (Multi lingual
content), eg. story in English and comments in Hindi.....
The only one good point I can see at the moment, is
resurrection of Limbo, nothing more, resurrection in very strange
way, making it incompatible even with existing Limbo
Templates.
There is no section, on welcome box on the
top center, what's really drake is and how I've linked Limbo to
Drake, imagine how I've found it, and on which place of search
results....
Page 7 of thousands in Clusty.com by
searching open source cms Page 11 of many in Google.com by
searching for the same thing.
Really cant understand
and seem any point of continue supporting and maintaining
language files in ISO, if I or any of my mates found this project
interesting to his needs, we will be forced to make it in UTF-8,
with control .htaccess file, database content will be stored as
for now in ISO8859-1 (which will make only RSS to get in
troubles), and cant be exported, edited.
You really
have to re-check your priorities, world wide support, or limited
to few EU and not EU members.
P.Engee
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 08:08
Anonymous
I'm afraid you have missed the poiont...Drake is an evolution of
Limbo..
Limbo stopped and has not moved anywhere in
the last 12 months..
Drake was started to make a
better Limbo and has goner a lot further by completely
overhauling the entire suystem so that Drake is not even a
distant cousin anymore....
Yeah I missed it, cos of the not well organized site And
where is the big difference between 1.0.4.2 SP1 and 0.3.3 which
appears as 0.3.2 in the Administration back end except the
bunch of few more components, and few not yet supported database
back ends.
I'm already there, at SourceForge.NET, 5
years before drake and limbo - https://sourceforge.net/users/ep98/ And
I may join when I see a real answer of the main question, which
is why ISO ? And how will be world wide available (Drake)
with such limitations as ISO encoding
We
as translation team, rejected many projects for translating and
maintenance of their language files up to date, cos of one thing,
small, little thing ISO.
Few was hacked to use UTF-8
instead of ISO, like XOOPS before 2.0.15 version, but that's was
done cos of the large number of users requests, which cant happen
at the moment with this still yet unfinished core, and before to
do whatever u want to extend it more, think about Unicode and the
people which will not be able to use it at all.
PostNuke was stopped from translating by all translators and
later deleted from our repository, cos of rejections from
PostNuke developers, to add UTF-8 support as default encoding,
then we pick 3PD and core developments for Xaraya, a bit more
complex for the poor Nuke users, but supported as language
database, so they (users) was forced by us.
Files are
not up to date there, cos we got separated sub-domains per
language, and more easy way for the translators, to upload/edit
their files. SourceForge.net is a bit scary for some of them.
Maybe latter during the summer vacation I will update all
translations with latest changes and releases.
p.s.
Also fix up your session time, is this site is a support site
(where users have to write and read posts long time), or just
presentation site ?
Also before u start such project
like this CMS, u have to check the name availability, do u know
what's Drake and where is used ? Ask Mandriva, they're will tell
u.
P.Engee
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 11:57
Anonymous
ep98 wrote: Quote:
Also before u start such project like this CMS, u
have to check the name availability, do u know what's Drake and
where is used ? Ask Mandriva, they're will tell u.
Maybe you shoulkd also give ubuntu a poke as well, Dapper Drake
release if I'm not mistaken... aka
trex1512
fuckoff
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 12:05
Anonymous
Better check your tone kiddo, fucking up with possible supporter,
is not the best point to gain popularity.
I'm off this
pseudo project, 2 times I'm asking the same and same thing, and
what I've get fucking up, ask whatever u want, Drake is used by
many other organization and Drake itself is registered by
mandrake.
I will loose no more time with u and such
"evolution" of going down, if u remember what was the Limbo
community with your posts, u can see only disappointments,
nothing more. Limbo was good, and Drake will never reach it a bit
at least, with such helpful support and community.
Feel free to kick me, delete my account or IP Deny. Thanks
for your cooperation and answers.
P.Engee
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 13:38
Anonymous
hahaha....what the!!!
One can only imagine.. aka trex1512
legolas558
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 14:39
Anonymous
Uh...look what happens while I was sleeping!
ep98 wrote: Quote:
During the upload of 0.3.3 I've observe Includes/
and Classes/ and noticed one important bug is present! Why nova
days when everyone around moves to UTF-8, new CMS like Drake have
to use ISO 8859-1, there is no future for ISO.
As Team
leader of GTLT - http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtlt, I have
a question for ya Tell me how my Hindi, Gujarati and Bangla
translators will translate Drake in their languages ? How
they will maintain content in both languages (Multi lingual
content), eg. story in English and comments in
Hindi.....
Not correct: we are not using ISO
8859-1 but one different ISO encoding for each language.
Quote:
The only one good
point I can see at the moment, is resurrection of Limbo, nothing
more, resurrection in very strange way, making it incompatible
even with existing Limbo Templates.
I would have spent
more time on it before saying "the only good point", however does
not matter, critics are welcome! About template
incompatibilities: that's because the CSS went under re-design,
however we have planned compatibility and they will in future be
easily converted from any other Mambo-family CMS.
Quote:
There is no
section, on welcome box on the top center, what's really drake is
and how I've linked Limbo to Drake, imagine how I've found it,
and on which place of search results....
Page 7 of
thousands in Clusty.com by searching open source cms Page 11
of many in Google.com by searching for the same thing.
What can I say...I am not the marketing responsible, I have
cried more than you about this... And
Quote:
Really cant
understand and seem any point of continue supporting and
maintaining language files in ISO, if I or any of my mates found
this project interesting to his needs, we will be forced to make
it in UTF-8, with control .htaccess file, database content will
be stored as for now in ISO8859-1 (which will make only RSS to
get in troubles), and cant be exported, edited.
You
really have to re-check your priorities, world wide support, or
limited to few EU and not EU members.
Again, not
only the ISO 8859-1 encoding is supported but any encoding you
want. An option to automatically convert from the locale ISO
encoding to UTF-8 is possible to implement, but there has been no
discussion about it. The main reason why you are seeing ISO
encodings in this project is that I found that locale-related PHP
functions output in ISO encoding, so even if we had UTF8 language
resources (and we had in the past, just check the SVN logs) the
content was mixed because we could not find an easy way to force
the PHP function's output to be UTF8!
If you want to
discuss more about this on the developers mailing list please do,
I do not claim to be an expert programmer and if you can/want
help us with your advices we will gladly be accept them.
legolas558
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 14:51
Anonymous
ep98 wrote: Quote:
Yeah I missed it, cos of the not well organized
site And where is the big difference between 1.0.4.2 SP1 and 0.3.3
which appears as 0.3.2 in the Administration back end except the
bunch of few more components, and few not yet supported database
back ends.
Eheh...sourceforge shell service is
down, we can't change the remote picture until that. That's why
you see the wrong picture. About not yet supported
databases: WHAAAT? Check your tone, programmer. They are already
implemented If you saw them red is just because you haven't installed the
additional drivers, and if you had read the installation notices
you would have seen that explained. By the way, they are not
released in the main distribution to keep the package size
low. Quote:
I'm already
there, at SourceForge.NET, 5 years before drake and limbo - https://sourceforge.net/users/ep98/ And
I may join when I see a real answer of the main question, which
is why ISO ? And how will be world wide available (Drake)
with such limitations as ISO encoding
We
as translation team, rejected many projects for translating and
maintenance of their language files up to date, cos of one thing,
small, little thing ISO.
I hope the previous post explained
you why we are still using ISO. And, again, I would really like
to drop ISO in favor of UTF-8 in an elegant way.
Quote:
Few was hacked to use
UTF-8 instead of ISO, like XOOPS before 2.0.15 version, but
that's was done cos of the large number of users requests, which
cant happen at the moment with this still yet unfinished core,
and before to do whatever u want to extend it more, think about
Unicode and the people which will not be able to use it at
all.
PostNuke was stopped from translating by all
translators and later deleted from our repository, cos of
rejections from PostNuke developers, to add UTF-8 support as
default encoding, then we pick 3PD and core developments for
Xaraya, a bit more complex for the poor Nuke users, but supported
as language database, so they (users) was forced by us.
I see you are an experienced user and I would really like to
have you in the Team; however, until we don't find (maybe you
have some clues? I will eventually investigate more in these
days) how to force the locale output to be UTF-8 encoded in an
elegant way I think we are in stall.
Quote:
Files are not
up to date there, cos we got separated sub-domains per language,
and more easy way for the translators, to upload/edit their
files. SourceForge.net is a bit scary for some of them. Maybe
latter during the summer vacation I will update all translations
with latest changes and releases.
The translation
system is kinda usable now; however the "Repair" feature just
replaces the missing language resources with the English ones,
this maybe annoying during long time maintenance. Quote:
p.s. Also fix up your
session time, is this site is a support site (where users have to
write and read posts long time), or just presentation site
?
Again, I am not the marketing agent here Quote:
Also before u start
such project like this CMS, u have to check the name
availability, do u know what's Drake and where is used ? Ask
Mandriva, they're will tell u.
No "Drake CMS" was
existing before this project started; drake is a very common
word, about one thousand projects use it. And since Dapper Drake
is not a CMS I don't see your point here. I don't really like
this weak forms of attack you are making to the project...
legolas558
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 14:57
Anonymous
ep98 wrote: Quote:
Better check your tone kiddo, fucking up with
possible supporter, is not the best point to gain
popularity.
Sorry Mr.Ilivanov but I don't see why you
got upset. Really. Maybe it was a bad day when you posted this?
P.Engee did not say anything bad...
Quote:
I'm off this
pseudo project, 2 times I'm asking the same and same thing, and
what I've get fucking up, ask whatever u want, Drake is used by
many other organization and Drake itself is registered by
mandrake.
A name collision you say? Maybe...I don't
care at the moment. However I repeat that Drake CMS is not
registered by anyone. And, one last thing: you've got the
wrong tone here! Why pseudo-project? This is a very young
project! What do you expect? It's managed by about 3-4 people and
they're not experts in project managing!
Quote:
I will loose no more
time with u and such "evolution" of going down, if u remember
what was the Limbo community with your posts, u can see only
disappointments, nothing more. Limbo was good, and Drake will
never reach it a bit at least, with such helpful support and
community.
AHAHAHAH! So Limbo had a better language
support! AHAHAH! I really can't stop now. No comment. Quote:
Feel free to kick me,
delete my account or IP Deny. Thanks for your cooperation
and answers.
No no no, free speech (and bad words too)
here
legolas558
Re:fuckoff
16 February 2007 14:59
Anonymous
Anyway, I don't think we need a supported which makes such use of
bad words (even in the nickname!).
legolas558
UTF8 support
16 February 2007 20:28
Anonymous
In Drake CMS we use the setlocale() function to enable the correct locale settings.
Looks like adding ".UTF8" to the language identifier will force
the usage of UTF8 output, and I hope most systems accept it.
The next version of Drake CMS (v0.3.4, not yet released)
will use UTF8 for any language, see the relative feature
tracker
Several tests will be done in the next
days to verify the correctness of the UTF8 output
rsavarese
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 22:02
Anonymous
Ehi Daniele.. ma chi è questo?
legolas558
Re:ISO instead of UTF-8 ?
16 February 2007 22:08
Anonymous
rsavarese wrote: Quote:
Ehi Daniele.. ma chi
è questo?
I will answer both in Italian and English,
but please use English in the non-Italian sections of the forums.
I don't know however looks like a possible translator;
better not to loose too much time answering his critics.
In Italian: Risponderò sia in Italiano che in Inglese, ma
per favore usa l'Inglese nelle sezioni non Italiane dei forum.
Non so chi sia comunque sembra un possibile traduttore; meglio
non perdere troppo tempo a rispondere alle sue critiche.
And 
If you saw them red is just because you haven't installed the
additional drivers, and if you had read the installation notices
you would have seen that explained. By the way, they are not
released in the main distribution to keep the package size
low.